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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-250529</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I become a outie to gain experience, so maybe I can become an innie. But after grad school and looking for a long time to become an innie, I just might stay and outie. The outie crowd seems to &quot;value&quot; my skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I become a outie to gain experience, so maybe I can become an innie. But after grad school and looking for a long time to become an innie, I just might stay and outie. The outie crowd seems to &#8220;value&#8221; my skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee McIvor</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-25928</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee McIvor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently an &quot;innie&quot;, but have a little experience of the other side.

Like the previous comment, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as simple a distinction as some seem to. I get frustrated with &quot;selling&quot; UCD and IA, that&#039;s true. On the other hand, I get to drive a project through to the end. I get the satisfaction of generating long-term strategic changes in how my company think, and I get to pick and choose when I want to do the &quot;fun stuff&quot; or leave it to a contractor.

Sometimes I pine for the freedom of the &quot;outie&quot; world, and it&#039;s definitely something i&#039;m considering at the moment, but equally, I worry i&#039;ll miss the long-term results of my brief work if i&#039;m on the outside, and often only briefly there at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently an &#8220;innie&#8221;, but have a little experience of the other side.</p>
<p>Like the previous comment, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as simple a distinction as some seem to. I get frustrated with &#8220;selling&#8221; UCD and IA, that&#8217;s true. On the other hand, I get to drive a project through to the end. I get the satisfaction of generating long-term strategic changes in how my company think, and I get to pick and choose when I want to do the &#8220;fun stuff&#8221; or leave it to a contractor.</p>
<p>Sometimes I pine for the freedom of the &#8220;outie&#8221; world, and it&#8217;s definitely something i&#8217;m considering at the moment, but equally, I worry i&#8217;ll miss the long-term results of my brief work if i&#8217;m on the outside, and often only briefly there at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pauric</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-22753</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an innie at the same place since graduating 12 years ago.  I have to concede to all the criticisms leveled at innie life.

That all said, I have to attend maybe 1-2 meetings every 14 days.  I&#039;m currently working across applications, web gui&#039;s, CLIs &amp; physical interfaces.  I&#039;m the only UI designer in a company of 6000 people and I dont have to travel.

Point being, its isnt black &amp; white and I think if you get far enough up the food chain in either field, people knock on your door and you can chose to ignore the BS be that politics or constant selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an innie at the same place since graduating 12 years ago.  I have to concede to all the criticisms leveled at innie life.</p>
<p>That all said, I have to attend maybe 1-2 meetings every 14 days.  I&#8217;m currently working across applications, web gui&#8217;s, CLIs &amp; physical interfaces.  I&#8217;m the only UI designer in a company of 6000 people and I dont have to travel.</p>
<p>Point being, its isnt black &amp; white and I think if you get far enough up the food chain in either field, people knock on your door and you can chose to ignore the BS be that politics or constant selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Rolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-22352</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Rolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey L, &#039;more changes&#039;? Sounds interesting...

I&#039;ve been both innie and outie, and last time I was being an outie thought it was for good. Then I was quite surprised to finde a (reasonably small) place where I can make a difference and get to be part of a family (sounds sappy, but there are times when being an outie can be damn lonely). 

While I can never see myself going back to being a very small cog in a vast machine, I think there is something to be said for the third way- as Gino says, perhaps sometimes you can have the best of both worlds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey L, &#8216;more changes&#8217;? Sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been both innie and outie, and last time I was being an outie thought it was for good. Then I was quite surprised to finde a (reasonably small) place where I can make a difference and get to be part of a family (sounds sappy, but there are times when being an outie can be damn lonely). </p>
<p>While I can never see myself going back to being a very small cog in a vast machine, I think there is something to be said for the third way- as Gino says, perhaps sometimes you can have the best of both worlds?</p>
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		<title>By: Gino</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-22047</link>
		<dc:creator>Gino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an innie but pretty much work like an outie, since I work for a consulting firm. Instead of chasing down people and trying to figure out where the next gig is coming from, I have a pipeline of work to draw from. The opportunities are good and the clients are fairly large ones. Having said that the work is still work, the politics are the same no matter where you go; if you belong to the org, you may have less influence since you are an insider; if you don&#039;t belong the org, you may have less influence because you&#039;re only temporarily there and they return to whatever state of dysfunction they lived in before you stepped in. Having said all that I really like working in consulting, since I have the best of both worlds. But times are good right now for our kind. So maybe it&#039;s not so much innies v. outies as it is, what kind of work do you want to be doing right now, down the road? Is what I reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an innie but pretty much work like an outie, since I work for a consulting firm. Instead of chasing down people and trying to figure out where the next gig is coming from, I have a pipeline of work to draw from. The opportunities are good and the clients are fairly large ones. Having said that the work is still work, the politics are the same no matter where you go; if you belong to the org, you may have less influence since you are an insider; if you don&#8217;t belong the org, you may have less influence because you&#8217;re only temporarily there and they return to whatever state of dysfunction they lived in before you stepped in. Having said all that I really like working in consulting, since I have the best of both worlds. But times are good right now for our kind. So maybe it&#8217;s not so much innies v. outies as it is, what kind of work do you want to be doing right now, down the road? Is what I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: DonnaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonnaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I flit between the two. I sometimes go innie for a few months, working on something deep, then get back out and work shallow. Then I get sick of being out, and go back in again. I&#039;m an outie at the moment, but with a long-term piece of freelance, so that balances up nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I flit between the two. I sometimes go innie for a few months, working on something deep, then get back out and work shallow. Then I get sick of being out, and go back in again. I&#8217;m an outie at the moment, but with a long-term piece of freelance, so that balances up nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Bleizeffer</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-21727</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Bleizeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an innie and have never been an outtie.  But one thing that surprised me is the impression that one of the benefits of being an outtie is &quot;not having to deal with endless selling of the value of what we were doing&quot; or that innies are &quot;spending most of their time dealing with process instead of doing work&quot;.  

My impression is the opposite.  It&#039;s the outties that need to constantly sell their value to prospective employers, and deal with the overhead of managing a business.  Not that there&#039;s no process overhead for innies, but it seems to me that there&#039;s a lot of things we don&#039;t need to do that outties need to do.

Now, as for politics are concerned... ouch, that makes me want to be an outtie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an innie and have never been an outtie.  But one thing that surprised me is the impression that one of the benefits of being an outtie is &#8220;not having to deal with endless selling of the value of what we were doing&#8221; or that innies are &#8220;spending most of their time dealing with process instead of doing work&#8221;.  </p>
<p>My impression is the opposite.  It&#8217;s the outties that need to constantly sell their value to prospective employers, and deal with the overhead of managing a business.  Not that there&#8217;s no process overhead for innies, but it seems to me that there&#8217;s a lot of things we don&#8217;t need to do that outties need to do.</p>
<p>Now, as for politics are concerned&#8230; ouch, that makes me want to be an outtie!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! As a proud fellow outie I couldn&#039;t agree more. Love it. So much more dynamic, and the joy of doing &#039;your own thing&#039; makes internal politics laughable... as you know you&#039;ll soon be moving on.

I&#039;ve been thinking about this a lot lately, and it seems many of the innies are spending most of their time dealing with process instead of doing work. 

Namely the processes of 1. Contracting outies and 2. Pushing work through the massive corporate funnel, dealing with large company overhead, having meetings about meetings and, generally being consumed by corporate inefficiencies... all while the outies are doing the cool work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! As a proud fellow outie I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Love it. So much more dynamic, and the joy of doing &#8216;your own thing&#8217; makes internal politics laughable&#8230; as you know you&#8217;ll soon be moving on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a lot lately, and it seems many of the innies are spending most of their time dealing with process instead of doing work. </p>
<p>Namely the processes of 1. Contracting outies and 2. Pushing work through the massive corporate funnel, dealing with large company overhead, having meetings about meetings and, generally being consumed by corporate inefficiencies&#8230; all while the outies are doing the cool work!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Masterson</title>
		<link>http://www.disambiguity.com/innies-and-outies/comment-page-1/#comment-21672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Masterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Leisa.  Longer response on my blog:  http://www.jroller.com/page/MasterMark?entry=innies_and_outies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Leisa.  Longer response on my blog:  <a href="http://www.jroller.com/page/MasterMark?entry=innies_and_outies" rel="nofollow">http://www.jroller.com/page/MasterMark?entry=innies_and_outies</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I never really considered that distinction until I left my &quot;innie&quot; job over 6 months ago.  I like not having to deal with politics and endless &quot;selling&quot; of the value of what we were doing.  Now I really like the freedom and flexibility to do what I want when I want.  Too bad I can&#039;t bring in more money, otherwise I&#039;d stay an &quot;outtie&quot; for the rest of my career. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I never really considered that distinction until I left my &#8220;innie&#8221; job over 6 months ago.  I like not having to deal with politics and endless &#8220;selling&#8221; of the value of what we were doing.  Now I really like the freedom and flexibility to do what I want when I want.  Too bad I can&#8217;t bring in more money, otherwise I&#8217;d stay an &#8220;outtie&#8221; for the rest of my career. :-)</p>
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