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	<title>Comments on: BarCampLondon2</title>
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		<title>By: Alex - Microsmeta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex - Microsmeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milan, Turin, Rome. Italy it is waking up, too. Next barcamp here (Genova) will be held in April. &quot;Force&quot; all your friends to partecipate to this events, we must build a better internet :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milan, Turin, Rome. Italy it is waking up, too. Next barcamp here (Genova) will be held in April. &#8220;Force&#8221; all your friends to partecipate to this events, we must build a better internet :-)</p>
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		<title>By: leisa.reichelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>leisa.reichelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Gordon. BarCamps are designed to be &#039;roll your own&#039; so you could always organise one up your way! :)

(I know there is some talk of a BarCamp further up north later in the year... not quite as far north as you I think).

@ Leith: definitely go. Even if it is a little on the geeky side, you&#039;ll probably get lots out of it. And it&#039;s always good to have lots of clever geek friends!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Gordon. BarCamps are designed to be &#8216;roll your own&#8217; so you could always organise one up your way! :)</p>
<p>(I know there is some talk of a BarCamp further up north later in the year&#8230; not quite as far north as you I think).</p>
<p>@ Leith: definitely go. Even if it is a little on the geeky side, you&#8217;ll probably get lots out of it. And it&#8217;s always good to have lots of clever geek friends!</p>
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		<title>By: Leith @ Birth of a Startup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leith @ Birth of a Startup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I was still in London. I lived there for 4 years, and it wasn&#039;t til I returned home to Sydney that I began wanting to attend these conferences, and find the best ones are in the northern hemisphere... that being said, there is a BarCamp in Sydney in a week, so maybe I&#039;ll attend. I was worried it would be a little to far down the &#039;geek&#039; end of the spectrum, but perhaps not, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I was still in London. I lived there for 4 years, and it wasn&#8217;t til I returned home to Sydney that I began wanting to attend these conferences, and find the best ones are in the northern hemisphere&#8230; that being said, there is a BarCamp in Sydney in a week, so maybe I&#8217;ll attend. I was worried it would be a little to far down the &#8216;geek&#8217; end of the spectrum, but perhaps not, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to move to London.
Better still, these events need to move north!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to move to London.<br />
Better still, these events need to move north!!</p>
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		<title>By: leisa.reichelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>leisa.reichelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the book recommendation Tom (if only you got reward points at Amazon *sigh*). I look forward to reading that.

I think that what I was thinking when I wrote the point about fun/play is that there does tend to an assumption that work isn&#039;t a space where either fun or play should be expected. 

I know that when I&#039;ve structured &#039;play&#039; into workshops, for example, I&#039;ve sometimes had much more success than when I&#039;ve gone with the strictly dry and professional approach.

I think there are lots of opportunities to take an more playful attitude to our work, and maybe even create the expectation of fun... maybe even on the &#039;stuffing envelopes&#039; days :)

(Although, as a sidenote, I read an Amazon review of the Pate Kane book where someone said it was fine for those people who have jobs that *are* more fun, and that making nursing or policing more fun could be problematic.... I&#039;m glad I have a job that has much more inbuilt potential for play and fun)

I&#039;ll keep an eye out for you at FOWA. I&#039;d be interested to talk about this some more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the book recommendation Tom (if only you got reward points at Amazon *sigh*). I look forward to reading that.</p>
<p>I think that what I was thinking when I wrote the point about fun/play is that there does tend to an assumption that work isn&#8217;t a space where either fun or play should be expected. </p>
<p>I know that when I&#8217;ve structured &#8216;play&#8217; into workshops, for example, I&#8217;ve sometimes had much more success than when I&#8217;ve gone with the strictly dry and professional approach.</p>
<p>I think there are lots of opportunities to take an more playful attitude to our work, and maybe even create the expectation of fun&#8230; maybe even on the &#8216;stuffing envelopes&#8217; days :)</p>
<p>(Although, as a sidenote, I read an Amazon review of the Pate Kane book where someone said it was fine for those people who have jobs that *are* more fun, and that making nursing or policing more fun could be problematic&#8230;. I&#8217;m glad I have a job that has much more inbuilt potential for play and fun)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep an eye out for you at FOWA. I&#8217;d be interested to talk about this some more!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d necessarily lump &quot;play&quot; and &quot;fun&quot; together so directly. Obviously, they often go hand in hand, but &quot;fun&quot; is a much more subjective thing and I&#039;m wary of using it in work contexts (particularly because I find things &quot;fun&quot; that other people find &quot;boring&quot;). Similarly: things you enjoy are not always fun. Work should be satisfying, and enjoyable, but sometimes that has to exclude fun - especially on stuffing envelopes days.

Play, though: I can get behind that wholeheartedly. There&#039;s an awful lot wrapped up in that word.  I can strongly recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Play-Ethic-Manifesto-Different-Living/dp/0330489305/sr=8-1/qid=1171873694/ref=pd_ka_1/026-8748088-2056437?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pat Kane&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Play Ethic&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, which is a very interesting tour of the various ways play can influence society. It&#039;s at its most interesting when it veers into the highly hypothetical - the chapter focusing on the &quot;national wage&quot; is fascinating.

Anyhow, I&#039;m sure I can bat more ideas like this around at FOWA - do say hello. I&#039;ll sort-of be on my own too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d necessarily lump &#8220;play&#8221; and &#8220;fun&#8221; together so directly. Obviously, they often go hand in hand, but &#8220;fun&#8221; is a much more subjective thing and I&#8217;m wary of using it in work contexts (particularly because I find things &#8220;fun&#8221; that other people find &#8220;boring&#8221;). Similarly: things you enjoy are not always fun. Work should be satisfying, and enjoyable, but sometimes that has to exclude fun &#8211; especially on stuffing envelopes days.</p>
<p>Play, though: I can get behind that wholeheartedly. There&#8217;s an awful lot wrapped up in that word.  I can strongly recommend <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Play-Ethic-Manifesto-Different-Living/dp/0330489305/sr=8-1/qid=1171873694/ref=pd_ka_1/026-8748088-2056437?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books" rel="nofollow">Pat Kane&#8217;s <i>The Play Ethic</i></a>, which is a very interesting tour of the various ways play can influence society. It&#8217;s at its most interesting when it veers into the highly hypothetical &#8211; the chapter focusing on the &#8220;national wage&#8221; is fascinating.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;m sure I can bat more ideas like this around at FOWA &#8211; do say hello. I&#8217;ll sort-of be on my own too&#8230;</p>
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